"A Star Trek Pre-Painted Miniatures Game Would Be Awesome!" Topic

Tonight while thinking of getting into the Star Trek 2nd Edition CCG, I realized that I would much rather have a Star Trek miniatures game with pre-painted figures along the lines of Star Wars. Think of the possibilities! You can't tell me Trek collectors wouldn't go nuts like SW collectors? And then a Star Trek ship game like Star Wars. I guess we can dream.

BTW I have several CCG's already and though I can get older stuff really cheap I now hesitate instead of jumping right into a new game. Takes away money from miniatures purchases.

I'd love to see a starship combat game! But only if the minis were decent -- none of this twisty-laser-X-Wing stuff.

This is one of those ideas that makes so much sense but will likely never see the light of day because of how Paramount handles it's licensing. Even as a CMG it would work well. You can have Constitution class vessels and then you can have named vessels that are rarer up to the Enterprise of course.

You would think that Paramount would learn from Lucas and Hasbro. There is a lot of money to be made here. I know such games would bleed my wallet dry.

A trek CMG would be 'awesome'…as long as you didn't have SHIPS that could end up being 'bent'…as the SW stuff was/is and the micromachine trek and sw were/are…and I don't think that is 'possible'…

Even with the metal stuff FASA did…the pylons on the metal ships…(like Constitution or 'Enterprise/STTMP' class ships..were too thing and fragile…and a NIGHTMARE to try to store and use…

Even if you used ships the size of the Johnny Lightning collection…(which are fairly decent)…safe/practical storage would be an issue..unless you played ONE ship per player/crew figures to match????

I've got a HUGE starship/spaceship collection…from the old GAMESCIENCE 'feds' to the ADB ships to Micros and even custom-made 'balsa' versions both 'cannon' and 'non-cannon'…and the Japanese candy toy versions to Johnny Lighning recent ones….and also a lot of TOS-to STTNG era figs too…

BY the way…I'll ask here…(again)…does anyone know if the chap that did that 'TOS KLINGON type' figure is going to release them/do more of the same???? (hint)…

I'd love to see a CMG for trek…but Wizkids did just a CCG of BSG, which I thought 'sad'…but then again…they are going to do 'Halo'???

Fantasy Flight Games may be doing a STARCRAFT board game…but no mention of figures…let alone ships was made so far…so I don't know…

I can always sculpt/make/have made my 'own' ships and figures…for whatever game I choose to use them for…but I can 'hope' along with the rest of you.

Right now, I'm just working on some saucers for general 'pulp' and then some stuff compatible with SERENITY/Savage Worlds…as the systems are 'close' to some extent…

Carpe' sub-light engines'um,
Sgt DWW

CPBelt, If you are interested in the 2nd Ed CCG, I have a LOT of cards just sitting around here, the better part of three booster boxes worth. email me at josephfurtak [at] yahoo

Joe

I wouldn't mind a new Star Trek starship game, just NOT a CMG please. No more CMGs.

Will do, Joe. Thanks.

No, they'd all negotiate and combat would never happen…

Plus, there never WERE any cool or useful military units in the entire series! What miniatures would you make? 1 lone away team?

It'd give a new meaning to 'Warp(ed) Nacelles'

Crusoe, you have very obviously never seen the Real Star Trek.
You, my friend, are a sad casualty of TNG. <weep>.

Frackin' Organians. Ruined it for everybody.

I recall seeing the an old FASA catalog of a standalone game called Starfleet Marines. Pretty much a ground combat game, set in FASA's Star Trek universe. It had grav tanks, armored troops and such, all set in the time period of the movies (around ST IV). Did it ever make it to production?

Task Force Games had a Starfleet Marines supplement for Starfleet Battles. However it seemed much more abstract based and really didn't seem to call for miniatures. However they did sell 28mm Federation Marine minis at the time. These are still available through Black Tree Design.

It would be nice to see an extensive line of miniatures covering all time periods and factions of the official Star Trek universe that were to a consistent scale, or close to. However I figure they'd just screw it up anyways. At best they'd just follow WotC lead and come out with some randomly packed poorly molded soft vinyl stuff that only makes you wish you still had your Micromachines again.

The best material for Trek ships would be a good solid styrene, such as GW uses for its models. Nothing else would do the trick.

FASA's Starfleet Marines was never released, sadly; it has become the stuff of legend.

A Starship game has less hurdles to get premission to produce images. I can see some problems with pre-painted minis of characters. Though I would think that it would have had potential a decade or so ago. Now, I am not so sure.

Set in the Next Generation era and not the original as the TNG era would also have DS9 And voagers charaters and races to select from.

The only thing about ground combat in the Trekkyverse… well, it's so lame. I always figure we only saw the shipboard stuff in the shows/movies, but with the TNG era's heavy emphasis on "NO WAR EVAR!!!" I kind of doubt that Trek would have much in the way of tanks, artillery, etc. Plus no grenades, no suppressing fire, and all that bloody skintight polyester everywhere. Ground combat just doesn't fit well in the canon.

The ships, now… there's some potential there, especially if the designers take a cue from the SFB universe and branch out into everything from DD's to DN's, with drone cruisers, shuttles, and transporter mines thrown in. That would be sweet.

Star Trek minis yes. CMG, no way.

Javelin 98, was the episode from the original series which involved the GORN the only one that showed conventional land warfare with mortars and supressing fire?

I seem to remember episodes from DS9 that alluded to more conventional warfare with mines etc but I cannot remember for sure.

Back when they attempted a ST RPG, were there not weapons guides that included sections on such weapons. Never played the system so I really do not remember.

If so could they not use those as guidelines for filling the huge gaps that you so correctly point out.

We've actually looked into this, and done a little following up to sound out the powers that be. It remains a possibility, and we have a few Trek fans in the office, but we have a few other projects on the way before we can start thinking seriously about a proper approach :)

Rudy,

I'm pretty sure that the Gorn episode was the only TOS episode of the sort. But there again, ship crew members wouldn't normally be kitted with SAW's and mortars, so it's not really a full view of Federation armament.

The closest thing to ground warfare I ever recall seeing was a DS9 episode where they were fighting the Dominion on some moon somewhere. The silliest thing was that all the Starfleet crew were wearing standard-issue shipboard spandex and the heaviest weapons in evidence were phaser rifles.

Hey, MongooseMatt! If you build it, we will buy it! Give us a starship combat game with decent minis, a point system for building our own ships, and a kitbasher's kit with plastic nacelles, saucers, etc., and you'll make a killing. "Fleet action" scale preferably.

Why not just play Federation Commander? It's a fun game. Not nearly as hard as the old Star Fleet Battles. ADB makes great original series minis. Micro Machines made great Next Generation and movie mini's that are compatable with ADB.

It's not a fleet type game though. One person dosn't play more than a ship or two.

There were some Gashapon Star Trek mini-models available for a while… still fairly cheap on eBay… prepainted but in hard plastic. They're a bit big, but might be useful for FC.

'The Menagerie' pilot for TOS had some bigger guns… I'd swear I saw something mounted on a tripod.
It seemed that the weapons on the ships were so powerful and accurate that they wouldn't need much in the way of heavy ground forces.

Weren't there some collectible Japanese figure that were out for a while? If I remember correctly they were packaged in small boxes and you got a couple of Random ships in each box.

Please, no CMG. But I'm all for pre-painted Star Trek miniatures for skirmish gaming. (Hint to Mongoose Matt)

Agreed. CMG is Teh Evil.

I feel really ignorant…what IS a CMG ?

(Collectible Miniatures Game ?)

Yes the big phaser cannon. I think that was a salute to Forbidden Planet though. It was almost the same scene.

I feel really ignorant…what IS a CMG ?

(Collectible Miniatures Game ?)

You got it! That system whereby any semblance of a military TO&E is blown to hell and people excitedly pay $20 USD more for a given miniature because it's Rare or Unique.

TOS showed hand phasers, phaser rifles, Mortars, Photon grenades, and a portable phaser cannon as far as weapons go.
They also show troops in armored vests and helmets.
TNG+ shows hand phasers, phaser rifles, and a grenade launcher. They mention Grenades and personal shields. Presumably the shields replace the armor. It is a mystery why no one ever uses one. DS9 shows a Federation designed sniper rifle, but they say it was never produced.

And that's just the Federation Starfleet. Weapons abound if you go to other races. There's a DS9 episode…I'm drawing a blank on the name and I just saw it yesterday…but Quark sets up his holo-suite as a display room for weapons.
There we see HMGs, Rocket launchers, Assault rifles, War Droids, and mechanized battle armor.

It could be a pretty spectacular game, but it would destroy the trekkies, though. The only way to make it fun would be to branch far away from the Federation, and they certainly wouldn't come out as being very powerful.

I'd still buy it, even if only for the figures.

I've wanted a Trek minis game for a long time. Wrote a mod to the B5 A Call to Arms rules long ago. Waiting for B5 ACTA 2nd Edition to revise my stuff as rumor has it ongoose has now worked shields into some of the B5 ships that had them (Abbai I think) and I want to see how those turn out. I use my Micro Machines ships for minis with the ruleset I made. Pretty fun stuff. :)

@MongooseMatt – PLEASE convince TPTB at Paramount/CBS to give you guys a minis license for Trek. Here's hoping and praying you guys are successful.

Chris

I have looked far and wide and have located the odd one or two miniature star trek ship miniature, but being such a fussy person I demand my ships to be in a logical scale, not 100% but at least a size difference, unlike micromachines. Please some one out there produce Star Trek miniatures from all time lines. You would not regret it.

Amarillo Design Bureau makes dozens of ships.
If you want scale, then go with 1/2500 scale models. Also avaliable in dozens of diffrent ships.

I have been able to convert all the figures I need for gaming this, except for Gorn. No one seems to make a 28mm figure that looks at all Gorn like, which I find odd.

I've been following this conversation for a while. Very Interesting. To cut a long story short I decided to embark on a grand project: I made my own Star Trek miniatures game which is now in the alpha testing stages with friends who are interested. I made my own miniatures out of fimo, and designed rules which are simple yet effective – at least I think so. Follow my progress on my blog. mnharkness.blogspot.com

How would Capt Kirk have fared against Serinity's Reavers?

Hail them.
Try to understand their motivations.
Obliterate the entire group of them.
Discuss what a shame it was to have to do that with bones and spock.
Flirt with the new lieutenant.

REALLY liking those minis MNHarkness!

Shame you don't have a license to mass produce them, because I would buy them!!! :(

(PS, bit of an odd place to have links to Star Trek miniatures, in the middle of a religious page! lol no offense in saying that by the way)

CMGs are a dead end for specific sci-fi. It would take about a set to run through the whole of TOS, and we would be very soon into the same quagmire Star Wars minis has got to, loads of repeats and powercreep.

A ship game would be the same as the SWSSB – not enough out there tio satisfy the "collectable" aspect – unless you want every Constitution class individually represented.

Miniatures, real ones, would be nice, to go with the Fasa rules

Ignore my earlier link. Here's an updated one. More to follow.

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