Thomas Thomas | 22 Jun 2011 10:07 a.m. PST |
For Wildlings I'm using some old Essex Saxsons combined with some plastic War games Factory Celtic figures. Still working on Dog Chariots and a bit stumped for Wildling Riders. Using a D&D figure for Giant on Mammoth and a plastic figure out of Descent for Foot Giant (Descent figure closer to book description. Dorne presents challenges but a mix of "Persian" and maybe Crusader style knights may work. Need Dornish Spearmen as well. Great setting for campagins as well as one off battles between factions. I'm going to do a Hordes (12 element) army for each faction and then combine for "Big Battle Hordes". TomT |
Edwulf | 22 Jun 2011 4:49 p.m. PST |
Cant say dorne struck me as being very Arabic or Persian. Just as European as the rest. Maybe they were more Spanish or Italian looking than the more English themed northerners but still roughly the same. |
Jeroen72 | 22 Jun 2011 11:54 p.m. PST |
Like these guys perhaps? link |
Uesugi Kenshin | 23 Jun 2011 10:07 a.m. PST |
Jeron, yes! I like the Anadulsian look for Dorn! @Edwulf, yes, suggesting that Dornish are at all "Arabic" is entirely being a bit fanciful on my part. Also, I took my leads from these points: 1) This map: link 2) In the boxed GoT supplemental game, "A Clash of Kings", the family "Martel" are included who are from Dorn. Their family player cards are depicted as being non-Caucasian looking:
The game was supposedly "heavily" contributed to by Martin himself
and 3) in the HBO series they tend to refer to Dornish women as being "exotic" (ie. I took that to mean not like other females in Westeros). I havent gotten far enough into the first book to see any specific references to "Dornish" people or warriors yet to cull anything from it yet but based on my 3 reasons above I figure that gives me enough "poetic" license to give them a little ethnic flavor ;-) As Thomas says, just an all around great setting for campaigns! In that vein, some more options:
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Uesugi Kenshin | 24 Jun 2011 6:41 a.m. PST |
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Thomas Thomas | 24 Jun 2011 2:07 p.m. PST |
The art books esp Volume 2 have illustrations of several armies including Dorne – sort of a Southern Europe/Persian hybred. Feast of Crows has a lot of Dorne POV characters. Eventually Martin may commission a miniature game (he's a gamer and figure collector). Testors had the rights for a while but did nothing. Until an "official" line appears (lets hope based on the books and not the mini-serias), some excellent "historical" stand ins have been suggested by all. TomT |
Captain Blood | 24 Jun 2011 4:02 p.m. PST |
In the 4th book (well, the second half of the 3rd book) where Dorne first comes into play, there are pretty specific descriptions of the different 'types' of Dornishmen, from the different areas of Dorne, including fair haired peoples as well as more Mediterranean-like types. So yes, although the descriptions of silks and clothing tend to suggest a more exotic look, there's certainly nothing to suggest anything Persian, Arabic or Middle Eastern. Those kind of ethnicities are clearly placed across The Narrow Sea. And the houses and noble families of Dorne share the heraldic system of the rest of Westeros, which is essentially a slightly fantasized version of English medieval coats of arms and liveries. So maybe Medieval Spain is a reasonable proxy in terms of culture and overall look
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Uesugi Kenshin | 25 Jun 2011 5:42 a.m. PST |
"The art books" Owww! Links please! Didn't know there was such a thing! I saw on his web page he collects minis, mostly 54mm. I would love for him to release a series of "gaming" minis (hopefully 25s!) due to the success of the Tv series! Thanks for the update on Dornish armies Cap'n. That helps. |
Uesugi Kenshin | 25 Jun 2011 5:52 a.m. PST |
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Uesugi Kenshin | 25 Jun 2011 6:15 a.m. PST |
Found this in a "Wiki" article about the different Kingdoms of Westeros. Sheds a little more light on the "Dornish": "Dorne is the southernmost land of Westeros. It stretches from the high mountains of the Dornish marches to the southern coast of the continent. It is the hottest kingdom in Westeros and features the only desert on the continent. Dornishmen have a reputation for hot-bloodedness as well. They differ both culturally and ethnically from other Westerosi due to the historical mass immigration of Rhoynish people. They have adopted many Rhoynish customs as well, including equal primogeniture. Dorne was the only kingdom in Westeros to successfully resist Aegon's conquest. It joined the Seven Kingdoms through marriage over a century after the Targaryen invasion. This accomplishment has allowed Dorne to retain a small measure of independence. Lords of the ruling House Martell still style themselves "Prince" and "Princess" in the Rhoynish fashion. Bastards born in Dorne are given the surname Sand." |
Uesugi Kenshin | 25 Jun 2011 6:44 a.m. PST |
Here are some more artists "interpretations" of House Martel. As suggested above, medieval Spanish and or Persian come mind.
More fodder for mini inspiration! |
JJMicromegas | 29 Jun 2011 10:03 a.m. PST |
Why not just use the meeples from the board game, at 134 figs per box they are pretty affordable compared to miniatures. I can't speak for the quality but sometimes a local game store may allow you to inspect the contents. |
Uesugi Kenshin | 30 Jun 2011 8:38 p.m. PST |
Yep, Mr. Martin just emailed me the same. Apparently no plans to do any "other" wargaming minis either. |
JJMicromegas | 30 Jun 2011 9:16 p.m. PST |
I always imagined as the Northern Cavalry to be like the Normans, check out this plastic line from Conquest Games: link |
Uesugi Kenshin | 02 Jul 2011 5:54 a.m. PST |
I think anything b/t HYW and Normans would due them justice JJ. I stumbled across these spearmen (caption said "Ral Partha") and the screamed "Game of Thrones" to me: TMP link TMP link |
Dervel | 02 Jul 2011 5:17 p.m. PST |
I am partially into Book 2 and the Greyjoys from the Iron Islands sure sound like Norse from the descriptions so far
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Uesugi Kenshin | 03 Jul 2011 11:21 a.m. PST |
Yep, I just got the second art book and thats clearly how they are depicted pictorily as well, though strong with the bow too! |
The Red Baron | 08 Aug 2011 4:55 a.m. PST |
I wrote up a bunch of lists for use with Warmaster specifically for A Song of Ice & Fire, as for minis i used Hundred Years War & War of the Roses for all the kingdoms except The North ( i used anglo saxons with a few heavily armoured knights mixed in) Iron Islands (normans) and Dorne (some north african along with spanish) Wildlings (celts) |
SortiumSought | 11 Aug 2011 3:59 p.m. PST |
I'm putting together a 28mm skirmish game but the figures would be the same for a large army. Perry WotR for Stark and Lannister. I use the metal armoured figures for Lannister and the leather armoured for Stark. For the larger Stark army in the North I will go with HYW English from Front Rank. For the Gold Cloaks, guards in King's Landing I am going to go with Old Glory Ottomans. Have a look at my Wildings. I converted GW LotR Wildmen. link This is my progress so far at Arkham Gaming Centre here in northern Ireland. |
Thomas Thomas | 12 Aug 2011 2:06 p.m. PST |
I'll be running a Hordes of the Things "Battle for Westros" mini-campaign at Dragon – Con the is year using my versions of the Ice and Fire armies. DragonCon is in Atlanta,GA, over Labor day weekend. TomT |
evilleMonkeigh | 14 Aug 2011 4:37 a.m. PST |
Once you go Perry you never go back
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